I admit falling into the superhero is comics trap thing before. But to be honest, it’s kind of ironic that some people perpetually forget that there are comics that many more people including normies read that isn’t Japanese. Webcomics are also shared throughout social media like Facebook and Twitter and you can go read newspaper strips online too.
Even if you exclude comics, there’ll always be things that normies actually read. Something like romance novels. Not because I like reading romance myself. But it’s something that sells and sells a lot more than even most manga do. No seriously, romance rakes in a billion dollars in the United States.
Not that romance is any more or less woke. But that there are things 20 times more popular than superheroes and manga, especially in print publications and the like which includes Harlequin books.
Somebody did a phylogeny of the Pocket Monsters and I suspect whilst shocking to some, it also makes weird biological sense. Consider this. Terrestriality evolved twice, once with invertebrates and once with vertebrates. Bipedalism evolved thrice, once among marsupials, once among birds and once among primates. The cetids are monophyletic group within the artiodactyls. The birds are a monophyletic group within the dinosaurs.
It’s one thing to reimagine them as actual animals, it’s another to realise that they do evolve like actual animals. But in the biological sense of the word. It’s evidently that if the Grass types evolved from ungulates, it should be expected that the initial ones (Torterra, Venusaur, Sawsbuck) are quadrupedal animals with some plants attached to them. The subsequent ones are proper plant-animal hybrids.
(To be fair, there are real life plant-animal hybrids, plants sometimes accidentally attach themselves to frogs and algae do grow on turtle shells.)
Same for anything else to whatever degree really and since convergent evolution’s as much of a thing in real life (this should also extend to clothing as metalheads and Goths look similar but have different histories and sensibilities) as it is in the Pokemon world when viewed from this perspective.
(It’s parsimonious to assume that since most of the Fire Pokemon come from beings analogous to canids, since foxes developed traits similar to cats proper and hyenas to dogs the feline Incineroar’s an analogy to either one of them.)
Sort of makes sense really.
I think should a Goth favourite eventually go a kind of 180 degree in his outlook, he could even declare the end of the Goth scene for good. In the sense that some of the things Goth embraces are now increasingly kind of mainstream and that the Goth subculture itself, much like anime, might not be sustainable in the long run. Especially when other subcultures eat portions of it up enough to leave the real Goths a minority.
As for anime fandom, I even predicted that the anime industry’s going to inevitably decline real badly to the point where anime fans would have to find new homes for some of their obsessions. Those who like kemonomimi characters would have to be content going furry instead. Conversely for Goths, without the scene they’d have to move onto other communities and this is where they’ll collide with mourning anime fans.
Post-anime, if it were to become its own scene/fandom, would practically consist of anime fans finding new homes in furry, Goth and other subcultures. (Goth itself might also die and post-anime would be consisted of ex-Goths and ex-anime fans.)
Like I said about infomercial anime, they’re actually not really that bad especially if it acts as compensation for easily pirated media like games and anime episodes. But I remember elsewhere about one of the real problems with the anime industry’s that such items are so rare and inaccessible that even without piracy such an industry’s going to suffer anyways.
(It doesn’t help that growing numbers of anime professionals seem wary of the industry and another one might join in.) Truly non-commercial anime’s very rare. Not that the more commercial ones like Pokemon like merit but Mount Head’s one of the very few anime that I can think of that lacks accompanying merchandise and isn’t tied to a franchise at all.
Since a lot of anime’s either made to accompany an existing comics/novel franchise or advertise game franchises like Pokemon and Digimon, anime that exist independently of franchising are going to be this rare.
Whilst a lot of anime are made to advertise the very media they’re adapted from like comics and novels often with accompanying merchandise, stuff like Pokemon and Gundam are much more blatant infomercials. They practically exist to advertise games and toys like cards though they do have enough of a well-done storyline to get away with it. (The same thing can be said of Gummi Bears, Thundercats and My Little Pony.)
Not that it’s bad and when you think about it, such studios are paid to do it (and buying such merchandise acts as compensation for pirating games and anime episodes). The weird thing about some anime fans is that they act as if anime exists independently of merchandising. There are anime that do exist independently of merchandising but they’re very, very rare.
So the average anime being a glorified informercial for the media they’re associated with or adapted from’s an inevitable practise and similar things can be said of filmed adaptations of Harry Potter and the like.
I suspect when it comes to depicting superhero characters (or any ‘super’ character really), there’s a fine line between giving them flaws whilst making them idealised and making them actually fallible as to be infuriating and disappointing if because they’re the ones you trusted a lot. I know that feeling too and it still stings me to this day. But at other times it’s a Sophie’s choice between a disappointingly fallible character and a Mary Sue.
I guess it’s going to be hard trying to come up with flaws for characters because you want them to be likable but at the same time they can’t be Mary Sues either. A balance’s possible. But not when some situations demand a Sophie’s choice that it’s ultimately going to piss off readers either way. It’s not so much that liking superheroes is bad but it’s either a fallible of accepting fallibility or at least hoping for real improvement because you feel disappointed.
The latter at least allows character development but I think that’s best pulled off in The Secret Garden and Jojo’s Bizarre Adventures and Yu Yu Hakusho to some extent where I think a delinquent turning into an upstanding hero’s more interesting than say a glorified fan surrogate (I’m looking at you Tim). But that’s something not too many superhero writers actually do with reader surrogates.
If because it not only makes them too human but also take on a mind of their own so it’s a Sophie’s Choice 22. It’s going to be a tough act to do anyways.
That’s based on the title ‘Rip it Up and Start Again’ which’s about the post-punk scene and post-punk music. It can be argued that it’s not that punk rock didn’t die but rather there were punks ambitious enough to expand and experiment with what else punk can be. These included the earliest generation of Goths in the sense of them being punks who’re very much into campy horror films and/or punks in mourning.
If the punk scene’s very much an extension of glam rock and glam rock fandom (in fact Mick Jones and Sid Vicious were David Bowie fans), then goth’s very much what happens when punkers go into mourning and try to move on with horror films. Sort of explains how and why the Goth scene came to be. One wonders what happens when anime fans go into mourning when anime’s practically gone.
Admittedly, that’s uncertain for now but I suspect a good number of anime fans and professionals looking for something more substantial that some will eventually look to other subcultures and aesthetics like furries for inspiration. But given the furry fandom itself started out as an offshoot of the greater animation and comics fandom as they also revolve around anthropomorphic animals and half-animal people.
Then that would be more of an awkward family reunion. Not to mention that the real big centre of adult animation’s now in the West and to some extent China. I could be underestimating Chinese animation as I think it could replace anime proper should anime die. Though for now, Western animation has a lot of adult-oriented productions enough to justify the possibility of it replacing or surpassing anime.
I guess that’s very much inevitable given what’ll happen if anime’s demise leads to post-anime much like how the original 70s punk scene begat post-punk.