Together on a mission

Growing together in

Late January to the

Point of marriage soon.


Should it ever happen?

I suspect that if ‘Kastle’ were to happen on Punisher, not only would it be the worst thing to ever happen to the Punisher franchise but also becoming the MCU’s version of ‘Olicity’.¬† A number of Arrow fans already hate Olicity and Felicity Smoak. With Karen Page being already fairly polarising among some circles, it’ll only worsen things.

The only thing worse than Kastle happening is Frank Castle getting sexualised big time. He may’ve been sexualised before, most notably in the Marvel Swimsuit Specials back in the day and to some extent, certain forgotten slash fiction between him and some other character before Daredevil and Punisher hit Netflix.

If Kastle were to happen, that’ll surely anger some Punisher fans because Frank Castle’s been turned into this dreaded romance novel stereotype. Arrow’s a good precedent where Oliver not only got sexualised but also paired off with Felicity thus ruining its reputation for good.

‘Kastle’ would continue this and maybe exacerbate it with more Frank nude shots and the like in a forthcoming calendar, should it ever occur at all.

Weird Feeling

I have a weird feeling that if the ‘Kastle’ ship were to come to fruition, it would be like the new Olicity. Olicity’s a fanmade couple that ended up becoming Arrow canon for better or worse, especially for Green Arrow comics fans. This is what happens when producers decided to pander a lot to a certain demographic that it puts off everybody else.

Unsurprisingly some Punisher viewers feel similarly towards ‘Kastle’. Olicity, in turn, is like the fulfilled version of the preferred Smallville pairing between Chloe Sullivan and Clark Kent. Smallville’s basically a Superboy story with less spandex and given its long run, probably giving Clark more time to accept his superhero responsibilities.

I haven’t watched Smallville yet but I got this impression. Though Lana and Lois were his canonical love interests, some fans ended up pairing Chloe with him instead perhaps with the former acting as a kind of self-insert to live through vicariously.

Even if it would’ve come close to happening, Chloe ended up marrying another man instead. I guess Karen’s in the same position Chloe’s in for now.

Anatomy of a Punisher Fan already has a blog post that examines the differences between Batman movie fans and Batman comics fans. Admittedly this isn’t always the case especially if you bring up female Batman comics fans but in general makes sense especially in why despite having the same character such adaptations wound up having different audiences.

I guess one would expect Netflix Punisher fans to differ considerably from their comics counterparts. The former being having many (straight) females who madly pair Frank Castle with another canon character Karen Page. For those who know a thing or two about Arrow, this should sound familiar as Ms Page, like Felicity Smoak, originally had little to do with the ones they ended up getting paired with by fans.

I have yet to put firm statistical data on it but it’s an educated guess based on Ranker’s findings and casually observing the ‘Kastle’ fanbase. I guess others would beat me to it in providing more conclusive evidence. Not that Netflix Punisher fans don’t read comics (they do from what I recall) but comics Punisher fans don’t appreciate the Kastle couple much in return.

This attitude or suspicion would be the dividing line between the two.

Living the differences

It’s parsimonious to suggest that given how complicated superhero comics continuities can get, current non-comics adaptations often end up being less faithful for whatever reason, preferential or practical. Unsurprisingly, certain details are left out for good for being too unimportant. At least that’s how it was like.

Increasingly producers are compelled to pander to hardcore fans even when they’re also compelled to adapt the same stories and characters for wider audiences. For most of the part they managed to compromise this real well in the form of references. Not that they’re wrong but they often pander to those who are in the know.

If you reference music a lot, a la JJBA, you’re going to attract music nerds. That’s predictable. Lots of people listen to music anyways. Superhero comics are another matter, not too many people read comics let alone on a daily basis. Even with pirated copies around, not too many people have the time to read comics.

Far fewer people read superhero comics so it seems the audiences for superhero productions and superhero comics can be disproportionate. If Ranker’s assessments on the differences between Batman movie and comics fans are any indication, despite an overlap, one would expect MCUverse fans to be younger and more invested in other filmed productions on average than they are with comics.

They’re bigger than the differences between JJBA anime and comics readers (or for another matter, Harry Potter film and book readers) because for them filmed productions practically act as adverts for the stories they’re adapted from and do a good job at introducing them to the source materials.

The MCUverse does this to a lesser extent (and the same can be said of DCAU and Teen Titans) because the source material’s really complicated. I’ve spent more time hanging out at written profiles of every DC character than reading the comics they’re in.¬†Seriously, it can be that hard to track their appearances in every title within a shared universe.

If you find Jean Polnareff in Chinese cartoons, he’ll always be a Jojo character. Much of it is extrapolation and personal anecdote but it still makes practical sense on why JJBA fans can relatively easily get into the comics version but not so much for superhero fans whose first exposure was the watered down telly or film versions.

So they wound up relying on easy to understand profiles instead. That still rings true when you think about it though I could be wrong about it.

The student

A student with albinism

Struggles to see and study

On its own, getting upset

The teacher excludes him

But that angers him as he

Still wants to study despite

His flaw, stressed out he

Takes breaks to calm down.


Though shocked by his

Opinion of my friend

Scared since he got

Bullied by him before

But knowing I don’t

Like my brother’s

Friend either, I’m

No different from

Him in some regards.